Allah and Muhammad Explain Where the Sun Sets (Quran 18:83-86; Sunan Abu Dawud 3991)

According to the Qur’an (18:83-86), a man named Dhul-Qarnayn (whom commentators often identify as Alexander the Great or Cyrus the Great) reached the place where the sun sets, and he found it going down into a spring of muddy water. Modern Muslims, aware of the fact that this is impossible, try to reinterpret the passage to mean that the sun, through some sort of optical illusion, merely seemed to Dhul-Qarnayn to be setting in a pool. Unfortunately for Muslims who want to reinterpret the Qur’an, however, Muhammad himself said that the sun sets in a pool of water (Sunan Abu Dawud 3991). So unless our Muslim friends want to tell us that they understand the Qur’an better than their prophet, we have no choice but to assume that Allah meant what he said about the sun setting in a murky spring.

I don’t understand why you guys are so obsessed with the teachinga of the Quran. Are you scared of it? If you can’t understand Arabic then go to an Arab Muslim who can make you understand it well. Don’t go and read the passages taken out of the context by some Muslim haters and rewriting the translation according to their whims and to misguide people. A true guided one will never be misguided. If you can’t understand it then don’t make a moxkery of it…Does the Bible preach to be unkind to other religions…Did Jesus peace be upon him taught you guys to hate others. The Quran says You worship what you worship and I worship what I worship. So don’t be nasty and arrogant by claiming that what you say is true. All religion teaches same thing to be kind to others and show respect to your fellow being. Jesus had preachwd all food things but the Christians don’t follow it thoroughly. They have their own logic and tries to follow that which is against the teachings of Jesus the healer the prophet sent by our Creator. Don’t be scared that so many people are converting to Islam on their own. It is Our Creator’s will whom he will guide and whom he won’t.

David wood this guy is irrelevant he got abliterated by mohammad hijab i mean the guy is so ignorent on islam like his clueless and even then he literally ate a page of quran how can you support the guy after that do we muslim munch on the bible? NO.

Why do people learn islam from it’s critics and start thinking they can interpret arabic and quran in just one skim read lol, most you lot are biased clearly influenced if you want to know truth then learn islam from people who actually represent islam and explain each verse and hadith. The quran cant just be read and understood its a book where scholars literally study to be able to explain and you get fools reading a translation from some biased islam critic and they believe it blindly lol what sheep

Only Jesus is lord…

I am not a scholar but your interpretation sounds like CNN anchor. Sorry boy. It definitely has different meaning. And it’s meant for knowledgeable people to understand. It’s not for Anchor boy. 100%. And you proved that weakness . thank you

Sit and ask questions scholars rather than judging with your limited knowledge of islam.

These people are complete morons.

They believe that on Mars the sun sets into a crater.

“On May 19, 2005, NASA’s Mars Exploration Rover Spirit captured this stunning view as the Sun sank below the rim of Gusev crater on Mars” Image Credit: NASA/JPL/Texas A&M/Cornell

It’s become a cliched criticism of the Quran that it affirms that the sun sets in a muddy pool of water.

“Until when he reached the place where the sun set, he found it going down into a black sea (muddy pool of water) and found by it a people.“ 18:86

This criticism stems from mainly Christians but has in recent years been adopted by atheists, islamophobes, ex Muslims and the like.

It’s always seemed to me a really disingenuous argument against the Quran. An argument that stems from seeking out the worst possible interpretation to point fingers at the Quran claiming “aha you see the Quran is a product of a 7th century mind”.

As you can see with the statement from NASA would we claim that they are making statements that’s emanating from the mind of someone living in the 7th century? That the sun has a setting point into a crater on mars? And then decides to pop out of its crater in the morning?

Of course not, we are not that stupid, we know this is to do with the idiom of language. Ie how we speak, like when we talk about the sun rising.

Refer to Bhagavad Gita and Vedas especially Hanuman Chalisa to know how a human guessed the distant between earth and the Sun with naked eye, millions of years ago.

Indian and Pakistani Muslim plz watch this video with full explanation

False video. Quran not saying that sun is setting in mud. But it only explaining that people have seen a sun which is looking like setting in muddy water.

I think that many religious books have these kinds of statements that clearly contradict what has been discovered or stated by science in recent times. For instance, in the new testament, in Revelation 6:13 it is written " And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind." And we know that stars are thousend times larger than the earth, how can they fall on the earth when a thousand planets like the earth can be contained in only one star. ignorance of these facts in ancient times lead to these affirmations.

It was easier being a prophet in those days, nowadays it is an almost impossible goal to achieve with all those guys looking up in the internet.

brother you just read half verses and point only half of that scentence…you should read fullest and clearly so that you can understand

Before we begin discussing this issue, we do need to make it clear that statements about the sun rising or setting do not, in and of themselves, prove that a person or author held to erroneous scientific views, or made a scientific error. One can legitimately argue that the person or author in question is using everyday speech, ordinary language, or what is called phenomenological language. From the vantage point of the person who is viewing the sun from the earth, the sun does indeed appear to be rising and setting. In fact, even today with all our advanced scientific knowledge we still refer to sunrise and sunset.

Hence, an ancient book or writer may have not intended to convey actual scientific phenomena when describing the sun as rising or setting any more than today’s meteorologists, or newscasters, are speaking scientifically when referring to the rising and setting of the sun.

With that said, we do feel that the author of the Quran wasn’t using phenomenological language when describing the sun. There are hints in the Quran that show that the author wasn’t simply speaking from the vantage point of one looking up at the sun from the earth, but did actually believe that the sun rises and sets. These hints are found in surah 18:86 and 90. It is to these passages which we now turn in order to demonstrate our case.

To begin with, not all translations say that the sun sets in a muddy spring. Certain translations of surah 18:86 speak of the sun setting in a black sea. Compare the following two translations:

Until when he reached THE PLACE WHERE THE SUN SET, he found IT GOING DOWN INTO a black sea, and found by it a people. We said: O Zulqarnain! either give them a chastisement or do them a benefit… Until when he reached the land of the rising of the sun, he found IT RISING on a people to whom We had given no shelter from It; Surah 18:86, 90 Shakir

Until, when he reached THE SETTING OF THE SUN, he found IT SET IN a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: “O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness”… Until, when he came to the rising of the sun, he found IT RISING on a people for whom We had provided no covering protection against the sun. Yusuf Ali

Furthermore, according to Muslim sources there existed a variant reading where some recensions of the Quran spoke of the sun setting in a warm spring; more on this below.

Returning to the issue at hand, notice that the text does not say that the sun appeared to be setting in a black sea or what have you. The text clearly says the Zul-Qarnain found THE PLACE where the sun actually sets and rises.

Since the earth is a globe, and the sun millions of miles away from the earth (150 million kilometers on average over the year), the setting of the sun always appears to take place far away, somewhere on or behind the horizon. In phenomenological language it may still be acceptable to speak of “the place where the sun sets” when it is done from the view point of someone who is far away from this place. For example, a traveler could say that he was moving in direction of “where the sun is setting.” However, the Quran goes beyond what is possible in phenomenological language when it states that Zul-Qarnain reached the place where the sun sets, i.e. the Quran is speaking of a human being who traveled to the place of the setting of the sun. Such a statement is wrong in any kind of language, since such a place does not exist on this earth. This is a serious error that was introduced into the Quran because the author mistook a legend to be literal and historical truth.

You are a lire most people that converts they do read and do their research before converting. Talking about the same situation in every chance he gets. Which was already explained. And it is common knowledge that Quran is in arabic and translation you are reading is a translation.

SubhanAllah what a misinterpretation

Of course the bible was never scientifically inaccurate. The cornerstone of the earth (job) the EgyptiAn courts wizard throwing staffs onto the floor which turned into living snakes (eaten by Moses larger staff turned snake ) Noahs ark ( two of every animal , remember two gazelle , two zebra come out and two lions ) how many centuries before the predators could feed , else they’d make the prey extinct. Noahs ark never was possible .

Funny how david wood is informing people about a book he doesnt understand at all. To really understand the Quran you need to understand Arabic so u dont mistranslate/misunderstand like many do nowadays.

As a matter of fact why dont we christians go back to the original Bible which was written in Hewbrew or Aramic to really understand what is written in it not based on translated versions. No bible on this earth is the same. all are a bit different due to translations, while the Arabic verse in the Quran is the same but not the translation therefore its best to understand the original Source.

"AS IF " Dumbass