David Wood vs. Daniel Haqiqatjou: Violence and Tolerance in Christianity and Islam (DEBATE)

David Wood and Daniel Haqiqatjou debate the topic “Violence and Tolerance: The Christian and Muslim Perspectives” on the Modern-Day Debate channel.

Daniel’s channel (The Muslim Skeptic): https://www.youtube.com/c/TheMuslimSkeptic
Modern-Day Debate: https://www.youtube.com/c/ModernDayDebate

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Read books written by nabeer Qureshi for learning about bridging the gap between Christ and Muslims

Moses was a sinner. Just as any other prophet of God and every other human being from beginning of time until the end of time. With the only exception of Jesus Christ. Moses was inspired by God and was doing inspired actions and inspired speeches. Do we know for sure it was word of God himself? The only sure word of God himself came from him in Jesus Christ. What did Jesus ask to be left from the old testament: the ten comandments to which he added two new ones: love God with all your heart and soul… Love each other as I loved you.
He didn´t ask to keep killing people and women and children, he didn´t ask to keep stoning people to death, he didn´t ask to continue any other atrocities which were happening under the old law. He asked this thing only: 10 commandments. So that is what incarnated God himself approved and kept from the old testament.
I wouldn´t be afraid to say Moses was a sinner. He was both prophet and a sinner. He was a murderer. We are not Jews to us the old law doesn´t apply. To us only applies which was kept from the old testament by Jesus - not the prophet but the God himself.
So to me arguments focusing on Old testament is applicable to Jewish faith not to Christian faith. God was not responsible for the acts of Moses. Or any other prophet. The only acts of human being for which God was fully responsible was his own actions in Jesus Christ.
He gave us free will. We are free to commit evil and by nature of original sin we are distorted and disconnected from God. Unless we accept Jesus Christ. Moses did not have Jesus yet to teach him and speak to him directly. He had God who was reveling himself to him as closely as possible. And his distorted and sinful mind to channel those revelation.
What God in Jesus Christ - only human who could speak will of God undistorted because of being one with God and without sin- kept from the old testament: 10 commandments. No viloence whatsoever.
I wouldn´t be afraid to repriment sinners from commiting sin whatever their role in the history of salvation might have been. Especially before Jesus, they couldn´t have known clearly what is sinful and what is not.
We are lucky we have Jesus and know.
In Jesus we know: love one another as I loved you.
Old law doesn´t apply to Christians with the exception of 10 commandments. Where is violence in that?

Muslims, please keep fake peace to your prophet who desperately needs it, be it too late. Our LORD Jesus is the source of true peace, and doesn’t need your worldly and hollow peace.

Daniel claims the Jews wanted to rule the world but were unsuccessful. He could not be more wrong. Look closely at those in government in many countries, either Jewish or supporters of Isfael. They rule the world right now which is why the current situation between the two other major religions is encouraged.

In the OLD TESTAMENT, at the time of Moses, when he was still life, still living, Miracles were many on many of them, pluse Moses never crossed to the promised land.
When the Israelite coming to the promised Land ,THAT OUR HEAVENLY FATHER CREATED Heavens and Earth :earth_americas: as THE LORD SPOKEN IT, TO EXCISE
But at the time of Moses and before him, the world was
getting polluted by the spirit of the devil, doing the works of the devils, so THE LORD ALMIGHTY ORDER THE Israelites as they were to go to the Promised land when to take the land and destroy everything and when not to go in warr and destroy.
When they obeyed HIM they won, when they did not obeyed HIM they lost.
I advise the muslim and every person to read the Holy Bible themselves and search for the truth, and to read the Quran not to depend on other to explain it to them, And our HEAVENLY FATHER THE CREATOR OF THE HEAVENS AND EARTH will show you the truth.
Do not wait on someone getting paid making lost of money to read for you and explain to you, and twist the truth, changing the meaning 1+1+1+1 =4 not one,
if you can read, … search the truth, ask THE LORD TO help you understand, HE WILL HELP you underhand …
Just like every person THE LORD made them of spirit body soul as in Genesis(created on OUR IMAGE )
when we die our body goes to the ground, . At the funeral they sad the body of Sam is in this room or in this grave, so the spirit of that person goes to Heaven or hell.
The soul is the breath, …
As long you breath on Erath.
It’s The time to know the truth before is to late???
Choose today the Truth.

David lost this debate badly. Sorry. That’s just the truth. You can defend him all you want but his lack of knowledge and double standards were truly exposed in this debate.

1 Corinthians 1:18 1 Corinthians 2:14. Shalum

Muslims could think more clearly maybe if they didn’t have to remember always these honorifics whenever they refer to their profit

Do You Know These 7 Differences Between the Bible and Quran?

• September 6, 2016

While nearly every religion has a text which it considers sacred, not every sacred text is equal in nature, composition, transmission, and use. Nabeel Qureshi reveals this in No God but One: Allah or Jesus?, his investigation of the evidence for Islam and Christianity.

In the book’s thought-provoking, revealing comparison between the Quran and the Bible, Qureshi exposes seven important differences between these texts. “Both scriptures are considered holy to their people, certainly, but their uses are different, their histories are different, and indeed, their very natures are understood differently” (104).

  1. The Quran Is the Jewel of Islam

In 2011, the burning of a Quran by a Florida pastor incited violence, even though a few years prior the US Government incinerated a cache of Bibles in Afghanistan without incident. Why the different responses? Qureshi says,

The answer lies, at least partly, in the fact that the Quran has a different place in the hearts and minds of Muslims than the Bible does in the hearts and minds of Christians… The traditional Muslim reverence for the Quran is almost inestimable. (104, 105)

  1. The Quran Is Viewed as the Eternal Word of Allah

The reason why a Quran’s destruction may incite violence, in part, is that Muslims understand the Quran’s very nature different from how Christians understand the Bible. As Qureshi explains, “[The Quran] is the closest thing to God incarnate [within Islam]… Its place in Islamic theology is that of Jesus in Christian theology” (269). This is a significant difference between the two religions, for Christians believe the Bible was inspired by God within history; the Bible is not eternal as Jesus is eternal.

  1. The Quran Is Understood as God’s Literal Words

“Since Muslims believe the Quran is an eternal expression of Allah, they do not think that the Quran was written by men in any sense. It is the very speech of Allah, inscribed on a heavenly tablet, from which it was read by Gabriel and dictated to Muhammad” (106). Rather than this word being inspired in the Christian sense, Muslims believe the Quran to be revealed:

Allah revealed it piecemeal to Muhammad, dictating it through the angel Gabriel. Muhammad had nothing to do with shaping the text; he only relayed it. (106)

  1. The Quran Is One Genre

The literary genres within the Bible and Quran reveal some stark differences. We know the Bible is diverse in its literary genres, in part, because God inspired specific men to write using their own experiences and perspectives under difference circumstances. Not so the Quran:

It contains essentially one genre: Allah speaking to Muhammad. Although there are significant exceptions…the Quran more or less reads in the same manner throughout its text. (108)

  1. The Quran’s Compilation Was Fluid

Given the nature of Arabic during Muhammad’s life, the Quran was not written but orally known, and by memory. Muhammad would recite the same verse multiple ways, and so would his followers. He would also cancel previous texts through so-called abrogation: Muhammad “would tell his followers that certain portions of the Quran he had relayed before were no longer to be recited as part of the Quran.” (110) Therefore, if Muhammad needed part of the text to go away, he would replace it with another and tell his followers to stop reciting the earlier text and forget it. The Bible never underwent this sort of abrogation.

  1. The Quran’s Textual Transmission Is Problematic

Did you know that “today’s Quran, which was not put together by one of the teachers Muhammad named, is but one of multiple Quranic canons, the one that received official approval by the caliphate and became the standard text when the rest were burned”? (285–286) That’s right, the first burning of the Quran was actually ordered by Caliph Uthman, who recalled all the variant manuscripts, destroyed them by fire, and issued an official, standardized version according to his reading. Qureshi’s judgment is important:

The Quran’s textual transmission is pockmarked by human artifice and intervention, and none of the other arguments for the Quran’s inspiration bear the weight of scrutiny. (286-287)

  1. The Quran Is the Why of Islam

Perhaps the most critical difference between the Quran and the Bible, writes Qureshi, is that the Quran is “the basis of why Muslims believe in Islam” (112). The Quran is Islam’s why in part because of its purported literary excellence, numerous prophecies, scientific knowledge, mathematical marvels, and perfect preservation.

“Unlike the Quran, the primary use of the Bible is to serve as the basis of what Christians believe, not why they believe.” (112) Qureshi reminds us that Christians believe what we believe because of Jesus’ life, death, and resurrection; that’s our why.

I’m a big fan of David but I gotta say Daniel did a far better job than previous debaters!

Mosaic Law was given to just the Jews after God brought them out of captivity in Egypt. The law was to govern just the Israelites and the foreigners living amongst them. It was a Theocratic policy. This means that though the law was given by God, it was to guide the political administration of the Israeli state as well as tend to their spiritual needs. Violence under that system was mainly to take the “promised land” by conquest. As soon as the Israelites were settled in Canaan, they never really had to go kill people randomly for not believing in their God. The mosaic laws governed their daily living as a today’s constitution would. And just like any state today, they had a standing army to defend their territory. However, there was a group of people God gave permission to attack and those are the amalekites. There was also a reason. They obstructed the Israelites safe passage and attacked them from behind. The Israelites also lived freely with some pagans that they failed to chase out without killing them in holy war, see this in Joshua 1 . It should be noted that the Jews were not even looking to spread their religion like Islam do because they believe their religion was based on their bloodline, and The covenant was for them and their descendants alone!

Now Jesus said that the Mosiac Law was given because of the hardness of the hearts of the people, and just as Joel prophesied, the Holy Spirit through the new covenant was meant to replace that heart of stone with a heart of flesh. A new law was given to govern a Christian on two levels which is purely personal. 1)A Christian’s relationship with God(Love the lord with all your heart). 2) A Christian’s relationship with other humans (love your neighbor as yourself).
None of Jesus teachings was on a public or political level as Daniel was trying to affirm with Islam. The idea was if each person follows the godly principles, we will make a godly society as we can see in Paul’s teachings. Christian teachings doesn’t have a focus on an earthly Christian nation, but an eternal kingdom of God.

Now to the point of Constantine and others who have killed in the name of Jesus/Christianity. Anything done that contradicts the teachings of Jesus or the Bible is not done under the authority of God even if it is done in the name of Jesus. Jesus himself said that many will claim to do things in his name and he will reject them on the last day. That something is done by a “so called Christian”, doesn’t mean it’s automatically approved by the Christian God. It’s even stupid to assume that. Because Jesus himself warned against believing everyone who comes in his name. 1 John 1 further instructs us to test spirits.

Finally, I wish Daniel can separate Judaism from Christianity. Yes we serve same God, Yahweh, but the Mosiac law is a different religion under God. Christians call it a different Covenant/testament. Christianity begun after Jesus Christ. We operate on a different law, different principles. We are not limited to a geographic location or an Abrahamic/israeli bloodline, but we a bound as the body/bride of Christ who shall reign with him in eternity. But Yes it’s important we refer the old law for learning , reproof and to appreciate Grace even more. Under the Mosiac Law we had no place as God’s people because we were not descendants of Abraham through Jacob. But under Christianity, anyone, Jew, Greek or Gentile can be a child of God by faith/believing in the finished work of Christ

According to Daniel, “Muslims love Jesus more than life itself” but kill those who believe in Jesus, how ironical or should I say how hypocritical this sounds.

If Americans fight any nation, they are not fighting because of Jesus for God’s sake. Why is Daniel mixing secular government with Christianity.

Daniel, render unto Caesar what belongs to Caesar in no way doesn’t mean endorsement of evils of Caesar nefarious regime. Let’s stop fabricating words that are unfounded in the scriptures.

Intolerance the muslims manifest is purely when you do things against their qur’an, Allah and Mohammed.
Daniel is playing games with the audience minds, there was never a time muslims killed for blaspheme against Jesus but against their Mohammed.

David Wood is a pathetic Liberal masquerading as a Christian. The whole point of his channel is to out Islam for being anti-Liberal, appealing to the dominant status quo hegemony of Liberalism. He is obviously reacting to his insecurities of his trailer park trash upbringing and behavior such as assaulting his father by appealing to Liberalism couched in Christianity as his savior to respectability. How pathetic. He sees uninformed Muslims who are wary of being accused of anti-Liberal and wants to expose Islam as being anti-Liberal. Yes, Islam is anti-Liberal, so what? He is a pathetic excuse for a Christian. He should be praising Islam for being anti-Liberal.

Problems with DW debate:
He mentioned that if God came with all the signs and commanded him to commit violence today he would follow.

Well I don’t think he should have conceded to this point. The Bible is very clear, even if an angel from Heaven came and taught us something different from the gospel we cannot follow it.

So he needed to do a better point of driving home the point that Christianity is different from OT Daniel confused himself when he kept saying God commanded Christians win the OT when God was speaking to Israel. We know this was a temporary measure as God planned to take out the violence on His son who died in our place.

Today we cannot tolerate Islamic violence just as we cannot tolerate a person who comes today and tries to follow OT capital punjisments and violence. Christians understand that this violence was fulfilled in Jesus’ sacrifice. So we accept OT because we know God had to take out justice on evil. But today we won’t tolerate anyone carrying out this kind of violence because Jesus paid the price for it. So that person who be denying what Christ has already done for us. Only God to judge.

Daniel is an interesting debate. Totally reframed the whole debate

  1. He never once addressed why his religion of peace is in fact violent. His response is if the OT prompts violence then how can u criticise violence in Islam. The thing is no Christian would agree with anyone who followed OT violence today because Jesus already brought us into a new covenant, therefore the violence in OT was only accepted for a limited time to preserve the earth from evil until Jesus came with the permanent solution.
  2. The debate is on violence and intolerance in Christianity and Islam I think he conceded the Islam is intolerant and violent but says we should accept this because we accept what happened in the OT in a limited context and for a limited time till the messiah came. This ideology was actually completed in Jesus faced the just wrath of God for us.

1:31:50 Whoa!!!, Islamists want to be followers of JESUS at the end time??..Wake up, when JESUS comes it will be forever too late for you. You need to makes that decision now, not then…U do not love Him…U deny Him…You add to and take away from His Words…He states that b4 HE returns for His chidren (we will meet HIM in the sky, u will be subject to the plagues b/c u deny His Word.
Revelation 22:
12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.