Did the Apostle Paul teach that Jesus is God? Anthony Rogers and Carlos Xavier debate the evidence LIVE Friday, August 23, at 7:00pm (Eastern Time).
Anthony Rogers has an A.A. in Christian Philosophy from Christ College (Lynchburg, VA) and a B.Div from Greenville Presbyterian Theological Seminary. He is an ordained minister in the Presbyterian Church of America, in which capacity he serves as the regional director in South Carolina for Metanoia Prison Ministries. He has contributed to numerous theological journals and books, including the book, Our God is Triune: Essays in Biblical Theology, edited by Michael Burgos, jr. He has a wife and four children and resides somewhere in South Carolina where jihadis can’t find him.
Carlos Xavier was born in Nicaragua and grew up agnostic before converting to the Christian unitarian view in his early 30s. He currently lives with his wife in Georgia, USA, and works for Restoration Fellowship managing the YouTube.com/RestorationFellowship channel, thehumanjesus.org and christenemylove.com websites. Carlos has hosted many notable scholars on his channel like Dr. Larry Hurtado, Dr. Daniel Kirk and historian Richard Rubenstein. You can watch his other debates with Jonathan McLatchie and Ethan Smith on YouTube.com/RestorationFellowship channel.
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I think that you said Jesus was always, eternally the “Son of God”. Can you explain to me why Luke 1:35 say’s that he is called the Son of God because of Mary being overshadowed by the Holy Ghost? Thank you.
better luck next time ya fundy muslims!
we’s got Anthony Rogers on OUR side!
AR told a lie about 2nd temple Judaism. It’s considered that they were MORE monotheistic during that time. AR claimed that it was a majority view that they thought there was more than one Yahweh. It wasn’t.
AR also makes the classic fallacy of thinking the English word “Lord” always means Yahweh. It simply doesn’t, there are MANY human lords throughout the Bible. In the OT, “Lord” is used for adon pop, adonai, Yahweh … and in the NT it’s used for kyrios. AR uses this confusion to his advantage when he doesn’t explain the difference to his listeners, and he quickly switches between usages without clearly stating it.
Jesus might do things that are attributed to Yahweh in the OT, but so do other prophets. More importantly, Jesus does things that Yahweh DOES NOT do, like die, sleep, eat, pray, etc. Why do Trinitarians ignore this when they make that argument? Yahweh empowers representatives to go out on His behalf, this is the clear pattern in the OT. Many of them got called “elohim” (“gods” in english), and Jesus attributes this positional title to those humans, in relation to himself:
John 10:35 (NASB95) “If he called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken),
watched this for the 10th time and it keeps getting better.
There we have it…@ 58:39…Anthony denies the humanity of Jesus… re: Psalm 110:1 .“That doesn’t mean a human Lord”…they deny that He was begotten, they deny His humanity, and they deny the Father’s testimony of Himself and His Son.
Carlos xavier said he went to israel and asked a jew what adoni means. Obviously he knows for what reason he was asking. You might as well have been asking another unitarian that question. Xavier said Anthony should talk to a rabbi. A modern Rabbi would pull the nails out of his own house to have Jesus crucified.
In regards to the masoretic text and psalm 110, the second LORD, ADON, is referred to as HO KURIOS in the greek septuagint, which is a clear reference to ADONAI (yhwh).
Correction : Jesus spoke to Paul in Hebrew not Aramaic.
Every time he can’t answer -there’s a textual criticism problem!!!
Even if Satan tried to disrupt Anthony’s internet connection, his points came across very well and the truth of Christ, the Son of God who is God, came across very nicely
so any time xavier can not understand the scripture concerning Christ diety he site coruption of scripture? not a very good debator.
God according to God, says that God is IMMUTABLE. That is, HE is UNCHANGABLE full stop!! Eternal by default. There can not be another eternality. God is the Necessary Being upon whom everything and everyone depends including Jesus. Jesus Christ is a being that God brought into existence. Therefore, Jesus is a created and finite creature of Yahweh!
Jesus was not the first son of GOD .
Genesis 6:2 (KJV)
That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
Jesus is the word of GOD not GOD .
A son of GOD not GOD the FATHER.
He shows us that when he shows us how to pray .
Matthew 6:9 (KJV) After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
He did not say pray to him , but to the FATHER.
Matthew 12:50 (KJV)
For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
He will be all things to you but not your FATHER.
These tell us about Jesus . That he is a messiah only and not GOD .
John 3:14 (KJV)
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
Numbers 21:8-9 (KJV)
8 And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.
9 And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.
2 Kings 18:4 (KJV)
He removed the high places, and brake the images, and cut down the groves, and brake in pieces the brasen serpent that Moses had made: for unto those days the children of Israel did burn incense to it: and he called it Nehushtan.
See how Jesus compares himself to the serpent , so we don’t make the same error as those people did with worshipping the serpent.
He is a faithful servant of the FATHER.
Same as we must be .
dang, the bodily human form of Jesus of COURSE IS NOT preexistence. when trinitarian said Jesus was preexistence, what they mean is Jesus as The Word/The Son who John mentioned in John1:1.
Hilarious! Anthony says we should use rationalization. Rationalization says God is not a trio. God is the Father (Colossians 1:12-13)
This is a good debate, I like how Carlos actually brought up bible verses and didn’t just rely on his own opinion. Unfortunately Anthony’s side kept cutting out. I would like to see these guys go at it again. I think this is the first guy who has actually brought it to ‘The Beast’.
9:50 - Old Testament
10:07 - Plural passages:
11:22 - Isaiah 63
13:08 and 13:34 - Exclusive divine titles
Malachi 3:1 , Psalm 110:1 and 5
13:50 - Ancient Judaism and their view of the Messiah
14:10 - Can the origin of the trinity be traced back to Judaism?
15:03 - “There’s no evidence that Saul, prior to his conversion, rejected the view of his kinsmen that God is multi-personal or the Messiah would be the Lord from heaven.”
21:48 and 22:25
23:44 - Jesus and “Lord”
1:36:32 - prayer