Muhammad and the Satanic Verses: David Wood vs. Shabir Ally

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Clips taken from “Does Muhammad Give Us the Truth about Jesus?” (Shabir Ally vs. David Wood).

According to numerous Islamic sources, Muhammad once delivered a revelation promoting polytheism. Later, he claimed that Satan had tricked him into delivering these infamous “Satanic Verses” (as they are now called). Here’s the story, according to Ibn Ishaq’s Sirat Rasul Allah (our earliest biographical source on Muhammad):

“Now the apostle was anxious for the welfare of his people, wishing to attract them as far as he could. . . . When the apostle saw that his people turned their backs on him and he was pained by their estrangement from what he brought them from God he longed that there should come to him from God a message that would reconcile his people to him. Because of his love for his people and his anxiety over them it would delight him if the obstacle that made his task so difficult could be removed. . . . Then God sent down ‘By the star when it sets your comrade errs not and is not deceived, he speaks not from his own desire,’ and when he reached His words ‘Have you thought of al-Lat and al-Uzza and Manat the third, the other’, Satan, when he was meditating upon it, and desiring to bring it to his people, put upon his tongue ‘these are the exalted Gharaniq [Numidian cranes] whose intercession is approved.’ When the Quraysh heard that, they were delighted and greatly pleased at the way in which he spoke of their gods and they listened to him; while the believers were holding that what their prophet brought them from their Lord was true, not suspecting a mistake or a vain desire or a slip, and when he reached the prostration and the end of the Sura in which he prostrated himself the Muslims prostrated themselves when their prophet prostrated confirming what he brought and obeying his command, and the polytheists of Quraysh and others who were in the mosque prostrated when they heard the mention of their gods, so that everyone in the mosque believer and unbeliever prostrated . . . Then the people dispersed and the Quraysh went out, delighted at what had been said about their gods, saying, ‘Muhammad has spoken of our gods in splendid fashion. He alleged in what he read that they are the exalted Gharaniq whose intercession is approved.’ The news reached the prophet’s companions who were in Abyssinia, it being reported that Quraysh had accepted Islam, so some men started to return while others remained behind. Then Gabriel came to the apostle and said, ‘What have you done, Muhammad? You have read to these people something I did not bring you from God and you have said what He did not say to you.’ The apostle was bitterly grieved and was greatly in fear of God. So God sent down (a revelation), for He was merciful to him, comforting him and making light of the affair and telling him that every prophet and apostle before him desired as he desired and wanted what he wanted and Satan interjected something into his desires as he had on his tongue. So God annulled what Satan had suggested and God established His verses, i.e. you are just like the prophets and apostles. Then God sent down: ‘We have not sent a prophet or apostle before you but when he longed Satan cast suggestions in his longing. But God will annul what Satan has suggested. Then God will establish his verses, God being knowing and wise.’” (Ibn Ishaq, pp. 165-166)

Can we trust Muhammad when, according to Muslim sources, he couldn’t tell the difference between a revelation from God and a revelation from Satan? In this video, David Wood and Shabir Ally discuss the evidence.

The so-called Omni potent God is still allowing the birth of Hindus and Christians who are Infidels and non believers. And he need the help of thugs called terrorists to kill such Infidels. If He is all powerful He can stop birth of Hindus and christians children. An Alien named Gabriel had blabbered in foolish way and now entire world is paying the price.

Shabbir Alli good guy on the wrong side.

Repent of your sins and believe on Adonai Jesus Christ, believe in your heart that He has died for sins and rose from the tomb on the third day and let the Holy Spirit within you, and you shall be saved.

Jesus the Christ loves, praise YHWH our Elohim

Evidence for Jesus Christ’s existence, crucifixion, and disappearance from the grave (He rose from it):

The Lord Jesus Christ did exist, gathered disciples, and was crucified and went missing from the grave. To argue about wether He was taken from the grave or rose from it, is an argument a skeptic can make. Because well if you disregard the eye witness testimony of the disciples and there willingness to die for Christ, and humans won’t die for something they know is a lie, when Peter is pinned upside down to that cross, he could have said that it was a fake, but He didn’t because it wasn’t, what care would he have about death in this world if he knew for a fact he had assurance of a life in another, Jesus Christ did rise from the grave and is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Now the evidence for the Lord Jesus Christ’s existence really isn’t hard to find a multitude of non-Christian scholars and historians mention Him within 150 years after the time of His life. One such is Tacitus a Roman historian who reported on emperor nero’s decision to blame the Christians for the fire that had destroyed rome in 64 AD. Tacitus wrote:

“Nero fastened the guilt … on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of … Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome…”

In this Tacitus makes reference to not only Christians, but Christ calling Him Christus and confirming the Gospels going on to say that He suffered the extreme penalty (crucifixion) under the reign of Tiberius and by the sentence of Pontius Pilate, which like I said confirms the Gospels narrative.
Another important source of evidence about Jesus and early Christianity can be found in the letters of Pliny the Younger to Emperor Trajan. Pliny was the Roman governor of Bithynia in Asia Minor. In one of his letters, dated around A.D. 112, he asks Trajan’s advice about the appropriate way to conduct legal proceedings against those accused of being Christians. Pliny says that he needed to consult the emperor about this issue because a great multitude of every age, class, and sex stood accused of Christianity. At one point in his letter, Pliny relates some of the information he has learned about these Christians:
“They were in the habit of meeting on a certain fixed day before it was light, when they sang in alternate verses a hymn to Christ, as to a god, and bound themselves by a solemn oath, not to any wicked deeds, but never to commit any fraud, theft or adultery, never to falsify their word, nor deny a trust when they should be called upon to deliver it up; after which it was their custom to separate, and then reassemble to partake of food – but food of an ordinary and innocent kind.”

This passage provides a number of interesting insights into the beliefs and practices of early Christians. First, we see that Christians regularly met on a certain fixed day for worship. Second, their worship was directed to Christ, demonstrating that they firmly believed in His divinity. Furthermore, one scholar interprets Pliny’s statement that hymns were sung to Christ, “as to a god”, as a reference to the rather distinctive fact that, “unlike other gods who were worshipped, Christ was a person who had lived on earth.” If this interpretation is correct, Pliny understood that Christians were worshipping an actual historical person as God! Of course, this agrees perfectly with the New Testament doctrine that Jesus was both God and man.

You may have heard of the scholar Flavius Josephus who mentioned James as being the brother of the Lord Jesus Christ, which matches what Paul said calling James “The Lord’s brother” and there is another document that Josephus may have written which goes:

“About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he … wrought surprising feats… He was the Christ. When Pilate …condemned him to be crucified, those who had . . . come to love him did not give up their affection for him. On the third day he appeared … restored to life… And the tribe of Christians … has … not disappeared.”

Now it’s up to debate wether this is the entirely original document of what Josephus wrote, or if a Christian had edited it. But regardless he wrote about the Lord Jesus Christ. Wether it was negative or positive like the possible document is. Anyways there are many other statements, documents, letters, and writings of all sorts from the ancient world talking about the Lord Jesus Christ and there is not one question if He was a real person or if He was crucified and went missing from the grave. That is clear as day, He is a real person, was crucified, and went missing from the grave. And He did rise from the grave. And for more evidence of the Lord Jesus Christ, there’s the Bible and you see there is no evidence the Bible is corrupted, a lie, created by the Roman government, folktale. It is the recount of the Disciples of the Lord Jesus Christ, now wether you want to believe it is up to you. And what profit was there in spreading Christianity, All the early Christian suffered persecution, beatings, and were killed. Another Scholar reported that James the Lord’s Brother was thrown off a building and then stoned to death for spreading the Gospel in Jerusalem. These people went to great lengths even giving their own lives for Adonai Jesus the Christ.

Shabir is the only sane Islamic apologist. I pray that he reaches the gospel truth amen

Why islam must have so many people to interpret or twist the words of allah and mohammad if the quran was inspired by the allah ?
Right there you can see that is something filthy stinky satanic wrong with that religion from hell that is called islam.

Islam is a Satanic Verse

The only Muslim I can truly listen to and who comes across as 100 per cent genuine, humble, devout and sincere is Shakira Ally

Lol he got possessed by demon :joy::joy:

Can anyone please help me find 37 sources he mentioned? Id love to have a look at them

Drinking game, watch a Muslim debate/lecture and drink every time someone says “peace be upon him”.

Muslims look like they get tired of saying “peace be upon him” as much as I get tired of hearing it.

So … how do we know which is just “ stories “ and which is facts about Muhammad?

This guy makes no sense !
Standard Islamic Narratives are full of nonsense and holes :hole:. I mean like big black holes :hole:.!

Religion is the most ridiculous thing ever in the 21st century. Grow up children

But the satan verse is in the Quran too

muslims are the champions of cherry picking

So Muslims do believe in “ magic spells “!
Just like Harry Potter books .

So Muslims just pick whatever stories they like about Muhammad ( only good ) and the rest are called weak and not so good !?

huh? i thought muslims were obligated to believe every single bit of the hadith, authentic ones. now you’re saying the stories in those hadith may or may not be true?

What is this guy talking about…